The Triumvirat Electronic Newsletter

Issue #4

January 21, 1997
  = = A Service to the Internet from The Triumvirat Homepage! = = = 

(Editor's Note:  Portions of this issue have been edited to reflect updated information,
or to correct mistakes in the information presented.  We have done this to insure that you
receive the most accurate information possible.  Thanks ! 11/98)


- Russ's Update 
- Letter From Hans
- Jim's Notes
- The Quest, by Philippe Fontan

- "Pompeii" Info

- Russ's Top Ten List
- Info on Barry Palmer
- From Canada
- Sweet Dreams are made of this
- General Ramblings of mice in eggshells and lightbulbs
- Triumvirat: Additions
- J.Fritz Picture
- More Additions
- Yes...Triumvirat Web Page!!!
- Triumvirat-like Groups, etc...
- From KSHE
- A Suggestion
- Triumvirat-like Groups, Video, etc: More
- The "Kevin Bacon Game" Goes Triumvirat
- Triumvirat fan from Lodi, California

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=>Russ's Update

Hey Everybody!

     Thanks for all the mail, research, and continuing interest!   I 
have spoken with Hans Bathelt in the past week, and he expressed 
interest in contacting EMI about at the very least, organizing a one
or two CD "Best Of Triumvirat" -type package.  I'll keep you updated,
and, as Jim has noted,  the possibility of marketing sheet music has 
been well-received by those who can make it happen.   I  have also
faxed Barry Palmer, telling him that "Ala Carte" is out on CD.  
     I have also taken a very  personal interest in re-releasing Helmut
Koellen's 1977 album "You  Won't See Me" on compact disc.
     Thanks to the former Triumviratters Juergen Fritz, Barry Palmer,
and especially Hans Bathelt for their kindness and support of this 
project.  I hope everyone has a super 1997!   This marks the 25th 
anniversary of the release of  "Mediterranean Tales: Across the 
Waters", Triumvirat's first album.  Also, sadly, the 20th anniversary
of Helmut's passing.  All the more reason to see his solo album 
released on CD. Let's make it the year of the "return" of Triumvirat 
(in one form or another...)

Russ Shaw
Author, Triumvirat Homepage

  Note: Apparently, Hans Pape is still in Cologne, according to Hans

=>Letter From Hans

'Dear Russ:

     'Thanks for your letter from November and Christmas card.   You've 
brought it all up to date with the new biography and the photos.  I 
can imagine it's hard to find a video from the old days, but I've 
never had one, either.  I've got all of the albums on CD of course, 
but thanks for your offer anyway.

     'Now back to your questions. The mouse on our album covers was a  
concept of the EMI art department in Cologne.  There was no suggestion
from the band.  They just thought to come up with something new.  It 
had no relation to the music or anything else to do with the band.  
It was just a typical seventies type of cover.  As far as I remember 
the art department even received an award in Germany for that concept 
with the mouse, and the most asked question was how they managed to 
get a shot with the mouse on the egg without harming the animal.

     'I have no clue why the European version of "Old Loves Die Hard" 
says "In Deepest Sympathy".  The only guess I have is that it is only  
to be seen in the context with the album title.  The question why the 
album was released with different covers is that Capitol (in the USA) 
didn't like the German version and came up with something else.

     'I hope you and your family are well and I wish you all the best  
for 1997.

'Best Regards from Cologne



=>Jim's Notes
Greetings Friends !

     Thank you so very much for your well wishes, as the computer  
repairs were underway !  Glad to say, that all is functioning as well 
as can be expected now.
     I've made a few changes here and there on the website.  New logo, 
new background image, a correction here, an adjustment there.  Always 
good to start the New Year with a fresh look.  I still have some more 
touching up to do here and there.  If the counter on the "welcome" 
page seems to have suddenly jumped to about twice what it used to be:
it has !  The new counter should not suffer from the problems of 
being "busy" that sometimes occurred with the "Webcounter".  It also 
now reflects the total number of visitors over the lifetime of The 
Triumvirat Homepage.  We've been on the web for almost two years now!
     The material in the "What Happened to..." section of the Homepage
has been updated and additional information placed there.  I think that
I will be renaming the "What Happened to.." page to "Where are they
now?", or should that be "Where have they been?" But perhaps you have
a better idea!  Let me know...
     Philippe Fontan sent the following story to us.  I really enjoyed
reading it, and I believe you will too.  It is a familiar story, of
what so many of us have gone through to find the music that we love.
        I hope your year is off to a great start !

Jim Bradley
TATW Editor

=>The Quest, by Philippe Fontan

"It was shortly after 1979
When they started a new time
Music was flowing"

Let me tell you a story.

I was fifteen then.  A older friend of mine had been initiating me to
progressive rock. Classics, to start with.  I had my Genesis, my 
Jethro Tull, my Yes.  I sprinkled in a bit of Pink Floyd; added a 
touch of King Crimson; decorated with Gentle Giant.

By then, I was ready to apply for a British citizenship.  I mean, was 
there really anywhere else you'd want to live?  You know the old 
bit; "If you were stuck on a desert island, what records would you 
take with you?"  Well, the desert island was England, and the records
were its own.

So, I had mastered "Selling England by the pound". "Thick as a brick"  
had no secrets left for me, and "Close to the Edge" seemed to refer 
to an orgasm.

Life was good.

As I moved on to other classics that were from the beginning of the 
decade, it seemed like there would be no end to the flow of 
neo-classical, experimental, counter-beat music.

Well, there was.

And life was not so good.

Once you had run through the Genesis, Yes and Tull catalogs backwards, 
the only thing left was waiting for new releases.  And then they came 

Now, if memory serves me well, around that time, Genesis came out with 
"And Then There Were Three", Yes with "Tormato", and Tull with "Songs 
From The Wood".

Hmmmm.  Ain't sure about that citizenship anymore.

My friend was in the same predicament as I was.  But he still had a 
card left in his hand. Still one more rabbit to pull out of his hat.

Actually, the rabbit was a rat, and the hat was an egg.

When "Illusions on a Double Dimple" hit my ears, I thought it was just 
that: an illusion. "What do you think it is?" my friend tested me. 
"Definitely ELP, when they had less musicianship and more artistry.  
Maybe The Nice", I replied with the confidence of a teenager who 
still believed in the music monarchy of England.

So T'rat was born, and my quest had begun.

Germany found its way to my map of the world.  For a while, Cologne 
became bigger than London. But there loomed a problem: my friend's 
album was an import, with that weird German scribbling all over, and 
no other copy was to be found.  Now, as a teenager, I didn't have the 
means to order my own (25 Canadian dollars, I distinctly remember the 
owner saying when I inquired - At that time, the Canadian dollar was 
at par with the US dollar).

Where was I gonna find 25 bucks.  It had taken me weeks to scrape 
enough to buy one Supertramp ticket for 14$ (Yes... 14 dollars for 
a three hour concert... Hang on, while I wipe away my tears...)

So instead, I bought "Spartacus".  For the first time in my life, I 
had stepped forward in a band's catalog, without having listened to 
earlier recordings. And to my amazement, this one was (almost) as 
good as "Illusions".

For months, I was happy.  Listening to "Spartacus", asking my friend 
to come over, "and don't forget to bring Illusions".

From time to time, life has a funny way of reminding you that 
happiness is something you have to earn.  My friend and I lost touch 
for different reasons.  And I was down to only "Spartacus" for a few 

I eventually bought "Old loves die hard" and "Pompeii".  Nice.   But I
wanted to hear that piano intro to "Mister Ten Percent".  Because 
it's the greatest piano intro you'll ever hear, and I mean EVER!  I 
needed to play air drums to "Roundabout", and it didn't matter I 
couldn't tell a crash cymbal from a crash test dummy.

By then, my record store had changed owners, and the new guy was 
more interested in selling the latest B-52s or Styx, than ordering 
some obscure album from Germany (small town, you know).

Why he ever stocked "A la carte" is still a mystery.  I wish he 
hadn't.  To me, Triumvirat had now gone where all the other bands had 
gone before.

So I tried something else.  I bought Starcastle, a Yes imitation.  
Pfffff.  A few Klaatus, but only one really worth the while. Got all 
the King Crimson I could get. Well, Robert Fripp is Robert Fripp. 
Some days he's... and some days, he isn't... I finally found solace 
in Marillion. So much so that by 1985, when I got Misplaced Childhood, 
I had all but forgotten the darn rat in the egg.

Marillion had gotten me through college.  I was still listening to 
T'rat, and all my old loves, but I was changing.  I had gotten out of 
college, had a job and a car. Although I could now frequently visit 
several specialized stores in Montréal,  by that time, I was only 
looking for obscure Marillion recordings. That was just about the 
only "progressive rock" interest I had left.

Eventually, the original owner had bought back my good old record 
store.  Out of habit, and without thinking of it, I asked him whether 
he could order an album from Germany, the band's name is T'rat and 
blah blah blah... He unconvincingly said he'd try.  But he did 
remember me asking him the same thing years before.

He was a nice old man.  A bit distant, maybe even cold to some people,
but his face would light up when he talked about music.  Classical 
was his thing, of course, and he didn't understand music that needed 
amplification.  But still, he'd recognize another music lover when he 
saw one, and that was rare enough so as to create some kind of bond.
He'd direct me to his sales clerks who, he prided himself, were as 
fluent in the modern credo as he was in the old one.

My musical cravings became a bit different. I began to turn to much 
harder music, maybe because of Crimson's albums with Wetton and 
Bruford. I discovered all of Led Zep, Rush and Queen.  All more 
mainstream, and easily obtainable at my old record store. 

In 1987, I discovered Triumph, a Canadian blues-based but very, very 
hard rocking band (by the way, Rik Emmet is definitely the most 
talented combination guitarist-vocalist in the world.)  And so again, 
I was in a frenzy to buy Triumph albums.  No need to go to any 
special store.  Finding a Canadian band in a Canadian store is pretty 

Back to the same old record store.  Looked in the Triumph section.  
Thin. I guess nothing new came in, but let's go through it anyhow.  
"Just a Game", yep, got it. "Thunder seven", yep, got that one too.   
"Just a Game" again, yep, I said I got that one. "Illusions on a 
Double Dimple"...

Say what?

The white rat was staring me in the face.  I froze. 

The last album in the Triumph section was Triumvirat.
Imported from Germany.
On sale.

You know when Parsifal finally discovered the Holy Grail?  When 
Columbus set foot on the New World?  When Armstrong stepped out of 
the Eagle?  Peanuts... Just a drop compared to the waves rushing in 
my veins at that precise moment.

I've moved since then.  I don't know what happened to the old man, 
although I can pretty much guess he's having a glass of wine with 
Beethoven and Schubert right now.  I never knew how the album got to 
be where I found it.  But the old man must have had something to do
with it, one way or another, directly or indirectly.

From time to time, life has a funny way of reminding you that 
happiness is something you have to earn.  Patience has been my virtue, 
I guess.

And you wouldn't believe how good I am at air drums...

May the mice be with you,


(c) 1996 Philippe Fontan, All Rights Reserved.
         Printed with Permission of the Author

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=>"Pompeii" Info

From:   ".", INTERNET:brasilmn@minn.net

I was living in Brazil in 1980 and I discovered this group while in a 
record store. I got their album and it is fantastic.  I have been 
searching for the cd copy for many, many years.  Does it exist ?     
Please give me any info you can.
          Thanks,      Jeff Arntson

[Editor's Note: Yes, "Pompeii" is easily found, available from most
online CD vendors.]

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=>Russ's Top Ten List

Here are Russ's "Top Ten" reasons for a Triumvirat Reunion 

#10)  Triumvirat was Jurgen's most internationally famous and 
      best-selling project (geez it was his LIFE!) .
#09)  Face It, this band has unfinished business!!
#08)  Do It for the fans.
#07)  Perhaps twenty years of name recognition will finally give you a 
      huge album like you want.
#06)  1996 marked the debut of the Triumvirat Homepage, let's bring 
      the band back in 1997!!
#05)  After 20 years, Hans would "like a Double Dimple".
#04)  You could easily record a great album without Matthias Holtmann!
#03)  God might be a Triumvirat fan.
#02)  Yes, ELP, Tangerine Dream, Eloy, Jethro Tull, Page & Plant, 
      etc. are still JAMMING STRONG and rich!
#01)  Do it for Helmut!!!

=>Info on Barry Palmer

From: Marcel Sztukowski

Barry (Palmer) lives in London, UK. At the moment he is working on a
solo-album. I do not know if he has the time to start another project 
with his former colleagues, but as he told me, he could imagine 
rejoining again with the others for one album, or a tour.
As you already guessed, Barry is trying to get into the Internet but 
still has no possibility for sending or receiving e-mails. You will 
be astonished what a kind person he is, so there will be no 
difficulties in talking to him about his career or his work as a 
musician. The only problem you will have to face is that Barry is 
quite hard to reach.

Have a nice time and keep on rocking ....


=> From Canada

From:   "penton", INTERNET:penton@odyssee.net

Hi T'ratheads!

It's great to see your project evolve- letter from Bathelt was great
reading, hope the rest of it is in the next issue.
Being the one in Canada who sent in the Spartacus review, I can 
definitely say that the initial Canadian release (which I bought in 
early August '75, which was about 5 months after it came out here) 
did not contain the lyrics, much to my chagrin).  I made sure to buy 
the import of OLDH the following July (after it was premiered [so the
folks at CHOM claimed] on Montreal radio before anyone else in 
America heard it).  I remembered being blown away by the sound- I was 
a DJ in my high school radio station and quite enjoyed playing 
'Accident...' in it's entirety every shift I got! The depth of the 
synths is still wonderful to my ears.  The vocals get a bit wearisome,
and the complexity of 'Illusions..' somewhat lacking, but the sound 
more that made up for it.  Pompeii came out here in Nov. '77, not in 
the gatefold cover, but at least with a lyric insert- The sound 
wasn't as good, but the music I found somewhat more inventive, at 
least for the non-pop tunes...  A La Carte was found it March '79, and
God I tried, Lord knows I TRIED to get into it, but it sort of... 
drifted AWOL from my collection sometime after, and hasn't been seen 
or heard of since.  I never heard of the successor LP, and would like 
to read a review of it...
As for the earlier LPs- I got Illusions a few weeks after Spartacus, 
and was quite captivated by the instrumentals, which I find outdid 
most of the ELP/Nice material and any thing else from the current 
prog-bands.  Anyone else out there familiar with the early Eurock 
mags?  There was a T'rat article in one of the editions I don't 
It took me until early '77 to finally find a copy of MTATW, and that 
was quite the scaled down treat- I still use the intro to '11 kids'
as a practice piece...

Grant (montreal)

=>Sweet Dreams are made of this

From: sztukows@farpoint.fps.de (Marcel Sztukowski)

Hi, all folks out there !

     May I briefly introduce myself: My name is Marcel Sztukowski. I  
am a 25-year-old German student living in a village about 40 km from 
Wuerzburg. I came to the music of Triumvirat by listening to Barry 
Palmers voice on Mike Oldfields "Discovery". 
     Actually being a Mike Oldfield-fan, I have all his records 
including "Discovery". I liked Barrys voice and decided to search for 
more information about him. This is the reason why I am here now, 
writing you.  
     Recently I was talking to Barry:  Barry did not know that there 
is a Triumvirat-homepage at the Internet so he was astonished that 
there are still so many fans appreciating their music.  Although he 
would not interrupt his solo-career, he could imagine rejoining with 
his old friends from Triumvirat for an album or a tour. Finally, I 
gave him the address of Juergen Fritz. Barry will now contact him 
and maybe sweet dreams are made of this.



=> General Ramblings of mice in eggshells and lightbulbs

From:   "Doug C", INTERNET:smashed@ix.netcom.com

Thanks for the tip on the website.  Haven't looked at everything yet 
but found the site quite informative, and, unfortunately, somewhat 
I guess there are a number of bands that have the problems of members 
dying but unintentional carbon monoxide poisoning is not high on the 
list.  The band history explains the personnel changes clearly.  This 
was information that was virtually impossible to get at the time it 
was happening.  Still love both "Illusions" and "Spartacus".   I enjoy 
"Pompeii".  I still have problems with "Old Loves".  Do the surviving 
members have any desire to do any more together, that you are 
aware of?


=> Triumvirat: Additions

From: Frank Kreutz <frakreutz@metronet.de>

Hi Russ,

My name is Frank Kreutz and I come from Ludwigshafen in Germany.  I`m 
a new subscriber to TATW. I`m glad to see that there are other people 
out there who also like Triumvirat. You`ve done a wonderful job 
maintaining the website. Thanks also to Jim Bradley.

The reason for this e-mail is that I have some additional information 
that may interest you. Of course you can include it on the website 
or the TATW newsletter if you like. Most of this info is from two 
German books I own (both sadly long out of print), called "Rock in 
Deutschland" from 1984 and "Rock - Made in Germany" from 1980. The 
former contains three pages of compact info on the band while the 
second has a very interesting (and VERY long) interview with Juergen 
Fritz, which runs to no less than 29 (!) pages in which Juergen tells 
Triumvirat`s story until then from his point of view (It is sometimes 
a little different :-) to what Hans Bathelt told you).

(1) Surprisingly (at least from a German point of view) the most
successful record is missing from your discography. It`s a single 
which was released in 1977. Both songs are from the "Pompeii" album. 
On the A-side is "The Hymn", "Dance on the vulcano" is on the b-side.  
They are credited to "NEW Triumvirat". The number is EMI 1C 006-32548. 
According to J. Fritz this single was their most successful in Germany 
having sold 55.000 copies.

(2) RE: TV-shows.
"The hymn" became quite popular in Germany because the band had the 
chance to promote it on German TV. As you mentioned correctly they 
were featured on the show "Disco", but far more important was their 
being on the show "Rockpop". You can guess by the titles of those 
shows that Rockpop was much more appropriate for the Triumvirat-sound 
than disco. More TV-shows: they guested on "Plattenkueche" (that’s 
the correct title, not the one with "Helga and Frank..." that you 
mention on the page - Helga and Frank being the first names of the 
two presenters of the show) on April 10th, 1979 with "Waterfall" and 
again on March, 4th 1980 with "Party Life". As far as I know both 
songs have also been released as 45s.

(3) After a few attempts for a big German tour failed (most notably 
in 1979 a planned tour with percussionists, choir and orchestra which 
sadly did not take place) they finally played Germany in spring 1980 
to promote the "Russian Roulette" album. The line-up consisted of 
J. Fritz (keyboards), Arno Steffen (vocals, guitar), Mike Gong 
(guitar), John Avila (bass), Michael Andreas (Saxophone, percussion) 
and Herb Quick (drums). Unfortunately this tour wasn’t a big success; 
the same is true for one final tour in the fall of 1980 with above 
line-up minus Mike Gong. He was replaced by David Hanselmann (vocals), 
while Arno Steffen concentrated on guitar (BTW, that’s HAnselmann, 
not HEnselmann, as is mentioned several times on the page).

(4) A few more trivia bits:
"Old loves die hard" was number 1 in Portugal (earning them a gold 
disc). For the same album Triumvirat were awarded the "Deutscher 
Schallplattenpreis" ("German Record award") in early 1977.

That’s all for now. I hope it was a bit interesting for you. I have 
some more info (especially about other records made by Triumvirat 
members like Hanselmann, Palmer, Fritz, etc.). Tell me if you’re 

Bye for now
best wishes

=>J.Fritz Picture

From: Manfred.Jagalski@Koeln.netsurf.de (Manfred Jagalski)

Hi Russ !

Even if its New Years Day  I must write this short mail to you. 
In yesterdays local paper was a small black&white pic of Juergen 
Fritz. He is producing a new record with a Cologne female 
actress/singer. Its just newspaper quality and very small but I will 
scan that pic for you next week when I`m back in the office and try to 
attach it to a mail. I also got a book as a Christmas present which 
covers the music of the 70`s (and the DISCO TV show !). I still have 
to read it but already found a pic of Doldingers Passport with Curt 
Cress in it.  I will scan that as well. If I find more I let you know.
If it doesn’t work attaching the pics to a mail I copy it to disc and
send it by ordinary mail.

Greetings from the VERY VERY COLD and SNOWY Cologne


=>More Additions

From: Frank Kreutz <frakreutz@metronet.de>

Hi Russ,

A few more corrections/additions that may interest you:
(1) In the biography you wrote that the llusions-Lp "quickly caught on 
in Germany, ...". Sad to say, but that’s not true. Triumvirat 
generally had a hard time in Germany. Juergen complained in the 
interview that they sold only a few records in Germany at first (3000 
of the debut album, 5000 of "Illusions.."). It was only after their 
success in the States that the German audience "caught on". And even 
then they weren’t THAT popular in Germany (just think of the various 
efforts to tour Germany that were cancelled due to poor ticket sales). 

(2) I guess it has been mentioned before but Juergen was NOT a member
of the group "Gaensehaut". This was a trio consisting of Gerald 
Dellmann, Dieter Roesberg and Wolfgang Hieronymi (the spelling of the 
names on the page is wrong). All three of them had been with another 
moderately successful German band called "Satin Whale". This band has 
another interesting Triumvirat-connection. Their last album in 1981 
was called "Don’t stop the show" (Polydor 2417139). It was recorded 
by a new line-up with a new singer: Ex-Triumvirat Barry Palmer. BTW, 
it has also Juergen Fritz on keyboards as a guest player ! Still the 
album sold poorly and was deleted soon afterwards (I don’t think that 
it’s available on CD).

(3) Another interesting album for Triumvirat fans must be a 
self-titled album by the German band "Hollywood" (EMI 066-32728). 
The line-up features Arno Steffen and Matthias Holtmann. Also guesting
on keyboards: J. Fritz. It was released in 1978.

(4) You mention that Curt Cress played on "over one hundred" albums.
I suppose the truth is far more near the 1000-region. In the German 
rock lexicon from 1984 it is written that he already played on 
approx. 400 Lp`s (and there were quite a few coming after that. :-)) 
So you’d probably better only list his solo albums (some as Curt 
Cress Clan) and the ones where he actually was a group member 
(Emergency, Atlantis, Passport and Snowball). Otherwise I guess the 
list would be endless.

(5) It’s good to hear that Barry Palmer is alive and well. I read that
in the 70s he was a member of the teeniegroup "Kenny", who were pretty
successful in the mid 70s here all over Europe. Maybe someone could
confirm this info, as the Kenny-line-up I know of did NOT include him.

(6) A few more records with Triumvirat members :
- Dick Frangenberg played on "Dick & Alex", self-titled album, 1978
  (also Juergen Fritz on keyboards)
- Juergen Fritz also played on the following LP4s:
  "Saddle soap" by Tanned Leather (1976)
  "Midnight Magic" by She (1977)
  "Diamonds for Breakfast" by Amanda Lear (1980)
  "Stories" by Michael Holm (mid 70s)
  "Survivor" by Eric Burdon (1977).

(7) I have a single by The Hollies (an enormously successful 60s
and 70s British band) from 1988 called "Stand by me", which was
a minor hit here in Germany. It was partly recorded in Cologne (!)
and the credits feature as co-writer and co-producer a certain
J. Fritz. Most likely this is Juergen, but again this info has to be

(8) The writing of one of the musicians is not correct: it is not 
Werner Kopat, but Kopal ( L instead of T at the end). he is also known
in Germany for playing with the FOODBAND, recording the album 
"Rhythm`n`juice" in 1981. From 1983 till the late 80s he was a member 
of "Wolf Maahn & Die Deserteure", a quite successful German band, 
recording at least 4 albums with them.

(9) Re: David Hanselmann
Maybe David is the best known of all EX-Triumvirat members here in 
Germany. He can also be heard on "Electric Overdrive" by Overdrive 
(1979), "Using the head" by Message (1977) and on two successful 
albums he recorded with Chris Evans: "Stonehenge" (1980) and "Symbols"
(1981). For a while in 1981 he was a member of Snowball (Curt Cress`s 
band), but didn’t record an album with them. He has released at least 
three solo albums in the 80s:
- "Somebody’s watching you" (Teldec 6.25295) in 1982
- "Frontline" (Teldec 6.26130) in 1985
- "Let the music carry on" (details unknown).
His most famous song here is called "Go get the cup" from 1990, which 
was the official German TV-song for the Soccer worldcup in Italy.

(10) Arno Steffen released one solo album in 1983 called "Schlager". 
He also played on "Der Chef" by Zeltinger (1979) and the hugely 
successful album "Halleluja" by Marius Mueller-Westernhagen (1989).

Probably you know most of this info already (sorry), but I hope
there was also something new for you.

That`s all for now
Best wishes
=>Yes...Triumvirat Web Page!!!

-- [ From: Brian Werner brian.werner@mci.com

Yet another "die-hard" Triumvirat fan! 

I was led to Triumvirat by my obsession with ELP and the keyboard 
talents of Keith Emerson.  I'm sure every Triumvirat fans knows about 
ELP - the influences and similarities are definitely there.  However, 
I am definitely a firm believer that Triumvirat has its own unique 
style too!  I think the "ELP-clone" label comes from those who don't 
listen very extensively.

Nice job on the home page, well organized and very informative.  I'm 
sure it's a lot of work to research and maintain - it's most 
definitely appreciated! I definitely want to be sent newsletters when 
they are issued.

With regard to the Illusions vs. Spartacus debate that seems to be 
surfacing, put my vote in for Illusions - it's the best!  Don't get 
me wrong, it's not like there is some glaring difference here, in my 
opinion both albums are exceptional and classics!  "The School of 
Instant Pain" and "Spartacus" off of Spartacus are without a doubt 
two of my favorite Triumvirat pieces, and I think that the rest of the
album is also excellent.  I just think that Illusions overall 
possesses more depth, continuity and intensity.  To me, Illusions best
epitomizes what the group is all about and brings out the 
individuality of THEIR style.  I also think it has the best keyboard 
work Jurgen has to offer - Keith Emerson would no doubt bless this 
stuff!  Anyone who really likes keyboard-driven progressive rock would
be a fool not to listen to these two albums with regularity.

I'd also like to give some praise to Old Loves Die Hard.  In my 
opinion this album is very underrated.  Everyone talks about Illusions
and Spartacus, but there is some awesome stuff on here!  Maybe it's not
quite the caliber of Illusions and Spartacus but some of it's right up

On another note, I really enjoy playing keyboards and would love to 
get a hold of some good SHEET MUSIC for Illusions, Spartacus, and Old 
Loves Die Hard, not to mention the other albums.  Do you know if any 
exists, and if so how to get a hold of it?  Have you ever talked to 
Hans Bathelt or Jurgen Fritz about it?  If not, please do so if 
possible.  Has anyone else ever expressed an interest in this to you?
This is definitely a popular topic with ELP fans and I would also 
expect it to be the case with Triumvirat fans.  Looking forward to 
hearing back from you on this topic.

Thanks for both of your efforts,

Brian Werner

[Editor's Note:  Although sheet music is not currently available, Hans 
Bathelt has expressed an interest in looking into getting sheet music 
released, and made available.  We'll keep you posted !]

=>Triumvirat-like Groups, etc...

Jim & Russ,

  Sorry to here about your computer troubles. Hans jogged my
memory; I was at the Ambassador not the Fox for their second
gig (Spartacus tour) in St. Louis. Back then they had ELO play
first followed by Triumvirat, then kicked everyone out. I went
to the later show that had Triumvirat first, followed by ELO.
We couldn't believe the jamming speed that Jurgen Fritz was
going through on keys and thought he had to be related to Keith
Emerson. I didn't know the Illusion's tour had been several months
earlier until I picked up the Spartacus tickets.
   When I first got the Spartacus record, the one side had a 
country/western side accidentally pressed on one side. I returned it, 
but I wonder if something accidentally made is worth a lot to record 
collectors similar to coins & stamps. I often dreamed of (Emerson, 
Fritz, Wakeman) performing The Three Fates, Journey to Center of 
Earth, and virtuoso tunes together since the MIDI did not exist back
then, and I loved all of their concerts.
   I just happened to browse the St. Louis County Library and found 
the StarCastle CD which was a warm-up group back in the early 70's. 
They are an exact clone of YES if you listen. I also found Suzanne 
Ciani's Dream Suite CD in the Library. She now has her own Seventh 
Wave label(the artists shop) and it has an enhanced track zero for PC
QuickTime video, making of, biography, etc. My wife gave me Ciani's
Pianissimo II which not only has similar enhancement multimedia,
but actually displays all musical notation for all tracks with
a highlighter to help you follow along. This is a major achievement
in technology and, while I love all her new age keyboard music
on tapes, these 2 CDs must be seen and heard by all keyboard
music lovers from prog to classical to new age.
   I have purchased CDs over the last year that are influenced
by Triumvirat/ELP style. Atlantis Philharmonic (70's group name
and title) is a must have for lovers of Mediterranean Tales. I
have listened to THREAD by THREAD and can only say that they 
sound like the best of Triumvirat/ELP/Kansas and are a must have
for all fans. Mastermind Volume I reissued 1996 sounds at times
like Triumvirat or ELP and then gets into heavy prog at times.
Mastermind Volumes III & IV also continue the tradition of the
style in Volume I and there is a track that ends exactly the 
same as Spartacus (same notes and synth sound). I don't know if
they realize they did this or not, since they do borrow portions
off previous Volumes for sounds in later Volumes. I was a bit
unhappy with Volume II since it was almost all heavy prog, and
was the last one that I purchased. Par Lindh Project has CDs
"Gothic Impressions" which is a must have CD ("Night on Bald
Mountain" track is fantastic) and "Rondo" which is very short
but all the music is great. The "Bilbo" CD depends on how much
you like first two albums. Virtuoso drumming and synth
keys & strings are what make all these albums unique in a style
that will please Triumvirat fans.

>From a longtime Emerson/Fritz/Wakeman keyboard fan in St. Louis.   

=>From KSHE

Hey Russ, thanks for your help contacting Triumvirat. I sent a letter 
to Hans today asking for an interview. Was that street name legit...
...wow....I hope so.
I'll let you know if I get a reply.
Best wishes and Happy New Year.

=>A Suggestion

From: Carlos Alberto Teixeira/SBE <cat@omega.lncc.br>

Hi, Russ!

Excellent: the tvat newsletter, simply GREAT.
Please, let me suggest that you limit and format
the lines with 70 characters or so. It makes easier
to quote and to read.

A wonderful 1997, that's what I wish you all.

- c.a.t.

[Editor's Note:  Thanks for the suggestion!  80 characters is pretty 
standard, but we understand that it can be inconvenient.  We are 
giving it a try this issue, as well as expanding the file size of 
this issue. Jim]

=>Triumvirat Groups, Videos, etc.: More

Jim & Russ,
   I want to update my previous E-mail. I listened to Mastermind & 
Monolith recordings and want to correct a statement I made. It is at 
the end of the Monolith recording (not Mastermind) that the music 
ends with the same notes and synth sound of Spartacus. Monolith and 
Mastermind are on Prog Rock Web Page
http://www.progrock.net I find most 
prog music vendors under Mastermind page and select "where to buy 
CDs- MMMusic, etc." The $6 tape (30 minutes) was available from 
Monolith home page which doesn't seem to link properly anymore. This 
is a bargain tape for Spartacus sound fans. Monolith doesn't have a 
label and mailed $6 demo tape with 3 Singles (Commercial Radio) type
of rock, followed by Apocalypse Concept (progressive compilation with 
a sound similar to Spartacus album). The leader's name/web master was
William (Bill) Hamer. I was lucky to get the tape while the link was 
still working and suggest searching the web to see if Monolith with 
W. Hammer is still out there. If not, then I mailed a $6 check to 
Bill Hammer and on the envelope wrote Monolith Cassette, Bill Hamer, 
P.O. Box 2001, Clifton, NJ 07015 (I assume the he still mails out the 
tape). Mastermind link to "where to buy CDs- Prog Tron" has Triumvirat 
CDs, ELP, Keith Emerson, Nice CDs & vinyl LPs with a few at very low 
prices. I have never used this vender.

   John Arnold-ELP Digest web master E-mailed me that he will ask his 
readers in the next issue to hunt for the Spartacus Tour Concert 
Video. A montreal fan E-mailed me that he had videos, but none were 
Triumvirat. I will also ask KANSAS/GENTLE GIANT/YES Digest web masters 
to join the hunt, because I know its out there. The promo video "The 
Hymn" is much easier to get from sources specializing in prog videos 
only. And finally, I checked the trading post on
(also http://www.kinesiscd.com) where Larry Kolota is selling vinyl 
LPs and CDs. Out of this listing are vinyl LPs of:
  Gentle Giant:       Interview ; Missing Piece; Giant for a Day; 
                      Civilian $5 each
  Perlitch, Michael:  Keyboard Tales $8 
                     (I have this-great keyboard sounds)
  Triumvirat:        Med Tales $6; Illusions; Spartacus; Old Loves 
                     $5 each
  Nice:               Immediate Story (2LP set-Thoughts of Emerlist 
                     Davjack & Ars Longa Vita Brevis) $8 - (I have 
                     both - Ars has orchestra - great sound)

  I am getting Emerson's Honky $9 really hard to find, Rare Bird's 
"As Your Mind Flies By" $8 (a local used LP store wants $15), and the 
Michael Quatro Dancers... $8 (Was easy to get in 70's). $5 shipping 
for my order of 3 LPs. Everything in the listing is supposed to be 
reasonably priced and he is accepting offers even as low as $3 (I 
asked him what he wanted instead, & to knock off a couple dollars of 
his $30 total for my order).
>From a longtime Emerson/Fritz/Wakeman keyboard fan in St. Louis.

=>The "Kevin Bacon Game" Goes Triumvirat

From Russ:

okay, link..say Triumvirat and "Toto"
a: Steve Lukather and Jeff Porcaro played on "RR"

link Triumvirat and the Beatles
: Geoff Emerick (eng. on SPLHCB) engineered "Spartacus"
also Helmut did "you Won't See Me"

link Triumvirat and "Meat Loaf"
a Curt Cress


=>Triumvirat fan from Lodi, California

From: "The Shocknesse's" <bneshock@softcom.net>

   Years ago I saw a picture at a friends house of a 3 piece band. The
Key player had Hammond and Moog and the bass player had a 
melotron. I knew they weren't ELP so I assumed they were Triumvirat. 
Doesn't anybody have any live pics of the band? I assume not as you 
don't have them at the site. 
   I think Spartacus was my favorite album. I like concept albums. I 
would like to get a chance to see them live. But video would be 
okay. I am a big Moog fan and being an ELP fan I was drawn to 
Triumvirat’s' sound. A lot of keyboardists play their synthesizers as 
if they were just another keyboard, but Keith Emerson and Fritz 
treated the Moog as an entity all its own and treated it that way. 
They both played things on the Moog they wouldn't think of playing on 
any other keyboard. I really liked that. 

The new homepage is great. 

Robert Shocknesse
Lodi,Ca 95240

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